Post Status Happiness Hour Session Twenty Seven

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In this episode of the Post Status Happiness Hour, host Michelle Frechette discusses the upcoming Page Builder Summit with guests Dan Maby and Nathan Wrigley. Scheduled for May 12-16, 2025, the summit aims to unite the WordPress community. Michele highlights the collaborative spirit and the importance of community engagement. Dan and Nathan share insights into the planning process, the diverse range of sessions, and the evolution of page builders. They emphasize the summit’s role in fostering learning and connections.

Top Takeaways:

The Summit Is Exceptionally Accessible and Flexible: The Page Builder Summit is designed to be easy and low-pressure for attendees. With free access to pre-recorded sessions for 48 hours, viewers can tune in when it’s convenient for them. The optional Power Pack gives extended access and extra bonuses.
Visibility for Lesser-Known Creators and Speakers: One of the summit’s highlights is giving a platform to a diverse lineup of speakers, many of whom aren’t regularly featured at large in-person WordCamps or other conferences. It’s a space for new voices and fresh perspectives to shine.
Sponsorships Make the Event Possible—and Deserve Support: Nathan highlighted that without sponsor support, the summit wouldn’t happen. Sponsors like GoDaddy, WS Form, BigScoots, and many others contribute more than just funds—they provide energy, tools, and community-building support.

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Dan Maby (Founder / Executive Director, Big Orange Heart)
Nathan Wrigley (Founder, WP Builds)
Michelle Frechette (Director of Community Relations, Post Status)
Olivia Bisset (Intern, Post Status)

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Transcript

Michelle Frechette 00:00:01 Hello. Favorite two of my favorite people from across the pond, as we say, are joining me today for the Post Status Happiness Hour Live. I know, I think that person’s hiding behind your Page Builder Summit.

Nathan Wrigley 00:00:13 Yeah. Just that some some fella there. Yeah. Come out, come on.

Michelle Frechette 00:00:20 Dan Maby and Nathan Wrigley are joining me today because we’re going to talk about the Page Builder Summit, which we never talk about on this week in WordPress.

Nathan Wrigley 00:00:31 No, no. There has been no attempt to hijack that show at all.

Michelle Frechette 00:00:36 And we never put.com at the end of it either.

Nathan Wrigley 00:00:39 No, no we’ve tried quite hard to smuggle that in. Well, smuggles the wrong word. Smuggle implies disguise, doesn’t it?

Michelle Frechette 00:00:47 No, it’s just blatant.

Nathan Wrigley 00:00:48 Yeah.

Michelle Frechette 00:00:50 It’s just blatant at this point. But welcome to my show. I’m always on your show, Nathan. Which I think of as our show, even though it’s really yours.

Nathan Wrigley 00:01:00 No, it’s good, I like that.

Michelle Frechette 00:01:02 But welcome to my show with Post Status. This is a live a live stream that we very much Nathan understands. We have few people watching live usually, and then we get a lot more people who look at it afterwards, because that’s the way of the web, right? That is the way it works.

Nathan Wrigley 00:01:16 That is.

Michelle Frechette 00:01:17 But, but yeah, we’re here today to talk about the Page Builder Summit, which starts when?

Nathan Wrigley 00:01:21 12th of May. Monday. 12th of May.

Michelle Frechette 00:01:24 Which is a week from Monday.

Nathan Wrigley 00:01:26 That’s the only fact I know if you if.

Dan Maby 00:01:29 Are we done?

Michelle Frechette 00:01:31 So okay, so Dan turning over to you. Oh, so tell us a little bit about yourselves first. So, Dan, tell us a little bit about yourself. And we’re going to talk about the Page Builder Summit in a minute.

Dan Maby 00:01:45 Yeah, sure. So, I’m Dan Maby. I’m what? I’m. I’m aware of many hats across the, the WordPress community. I’ve tended to be a community focused individual. I run the WPLDN events in London with Nathan. I’ve been doing that for 14 odd years now. I run an agency focused on WordPress development, and I get the pleasure of working with, Mr. Wrigley on almost a daily basis whilst we do various projects together.

Michelle Frechette 00:02:15 Love it. He said. Pleasure. So you better say something nice to Nathan.

Nathan Wrigley 00:02:19 Okay. Yeah. I work with Dan a lot, and he’s lovely. How do we. How do we go from there? I, I’m Nathan Wrigley. I make podcasts in the WordPress space. That’s basically what I do. I used to build WordPress websites. Prior to that. It was HTML and CSS and tables and all of that. Good fun. Then I moved over to other open source platforms like Magento and Drupal and things like that, and ended up with WordPress in about 2014. I kind of got into podcasting, and that’s basically what I’ve been doing ever since. And then recently Dan’s been doing the WordPress WPLND, the meetup that we run in London. He’s been doing that for many, many, many, many years. And the the way he said it, it sounded like I had as well, I haven’t. I started going about six months ago and and I’ve been helping with videos and things like that, just sort of trying to wrangle it in the background. So yeah. And the Page Builder Summit is another event that we do, only this one is online. I should say there’s a missing person. Because there is a very important component to the whole summit, and that’s Anchen le Roux. But she lives in New Zealand and she’s currently taking her kids to school. And, you know, things have got, things like that have to happen. So she’s not here, but she, she is more than half of the entire thing, I would say. Yeah.

Michelle Frechette 00:03:37 And she’s a lovely person as well.

Nathan Wrigley 00:03:38 Oh. Oh, yeah, yeah.

Michelle Frechette 00:03:39 I got to meet her face to face in Athens.

Nathan Wrigley 00:03:42 Oh yeah. Yeah. That’s right.

Nathan Wrigley 00:03:44 Yeah I remember.

Michelle Frechette 00:03:44 I really enjoyed really enjoying.

Nathan Wrigley 00:03:45 Was that the, was that at the place near the sea? On that evening? It was kind of like a it was like a dimly lit bar by the sea. It was like the the bar went straight onto the beach. Was that where you guys met?

Michelle Frechette 00:03:57 I didn’t meet her there, although I’m sure we were both there. It was a big, But, Anamika, had put together with Grade a women’s tea, and so I got to meet her when there was about 15 of us women around a table, on a rooftop. And we were able to see, the Acropolis from right there, which was very cool.

Nathan Wrigley 00:04:20 Yeah. Yeah. I have a memory of you both being in the same space in the same evening, so I just associated that with that. Yeah.

Michelle Frechette 00:04:26 Of course, of course. So the Page Builder Summit, which I have been, I, I’m at a loss for words today because of brain fog, but I have been fortunate. There you go. Fortunate enough to speak at twice in the past.

Nathan Wrigley 00:04:42 Yeah. Thank you.

Michelle Frechette 00:04:43 Yeah. Which, last year was a little bit of a. Hey, it’s Thursday. We had somebody drop out. Do you think you could have something?

Nathan Wrigley 00:04:50 Yeah, that was. That was a little bit of that. Yeah. Thank you. Oh, gosh. Now you’re bringing back memories. Yeah. That’s brilliant.

Michelle Frechette 00:04:57 Nathan’s like, if anybody can pull something off, it’ll be.

Nathan Wrigley 00:05:00 Yeah. And you did. You had a little. Oh, that was so great. Thank you. I had forgotten that. That’s lovely.

Michelle Frechette 00:05:05 I always say yes first and then figure it out afterwards.

Nathan Wrigley 00:05:07 Yeah. Yeah. That’s great.

Michelle Frechette 00:05:10 Anyway, it was it was, it was, it was lovely to be invited both times and to be able to share some of what I’ve done with Page Builders and Page Builder adjacent. So Kadence is not technically a page builder, but it’s often thought of as one. And it works with the block editor, which is what I spoke about last year.

Nathan Wrigley 00:05:30 Yeah, it’s kind of interesting. If you look at the if you look at the plugin in, if you’ve installed it somewhere, it does say Page Builder. I think it says page builder blocks or something like that. Something like that. Yeah. Some nod and that, that whole thing. It is a page builder now, isn’t it? Really though?

Michelle Frechette 00:05:46 I mean, I think it does.

Nathan Wrigley 00:05:48 Yeah, I think so. Yeah.

Michelle Frechette 00:05:49 I think it just builds on the back end, not the front end.

Dan Maby 00:05:52 The block editor as a whole. It’s all getting very blurred isn’t it, in terms of a page builder?

Michelle Frechette 00:05:56 It really is. I mean, some people are still calling it Gutenberg, but it really is a block editor. And how you work, how you use the blocks.

Nathan Wrigley 00:06:03 Yeah. When we began the summit, there was a so Gutenberg the block editor did exist, but it was really kind of new. I can’t honestly tell you how many years, how many years old the summit is, but I’m going to go for about six. It was 5 or 6, something like that. And so, the block editor usage was really small. And so Page Builder really did encapsulate things like Elementor, Divi, Beaver Builder, those kind of things. But now that it’s definitely moved and it kind of feels almost like the word page builder, something it doesn’t fit, maybe, I don’t know, Web Builder Summit or something like that might have been a better point given, you know.

Michelle Frechette 00:06:43 But we all know what page builder means. So. It’s good. It works.

Nathan Wrigley 00:06:47 Yeah, yeah. But what what I’m trying to say is there is Gutenberg stuff in there that there has been for many years. And so it’s not just about those page builders.

Michelle Frechette 00:06:56 But it really is how you assemble your pages and your and your posts on your site, which makes perfect sense. Absolutely. So you said it’s been around for a few years. Six years. Seven years pre-pandemic. Correct?

Nathan Wrigley 00:07:08 Yeah. Well, actually, there’s a story there. So, it was it was the idea came about pre-pandemic. And then during the preparation phase for the first one, the pandemic began. And if you were to run, this is going to sound horrible, but I’m going to say it, if you were to orchestrate a good time to put on an online summit, that was it, because suddenly everybody was forced through no fault of their own, forced indoors. And those summits became do you remember? They were like a real lifeline, the online events and Zoom calls. And they suddenly took on an importance which they never had had before. So by good fortune, you know, followed on the on the wake of very bad fortune.

Michelle Frechette 00:07:56 It was a silver lining.

Nathan Wrigley 00:07:57 Yeah, there was perfect timing. So the first one dropped, I think 2020. And we’ve done it more or less each year a couple of times. We’ve done it twice in a year, but mostly it’s once a year.

Michelle Frechette 00:08:08 Dan, you and I know all about creating events during the pandemic.

Dan Maby 00:08:12 Yes. Yes. WordPress Live was no small undertaking, was it? The 24 hour event.

Michelle Frechette 00:08:21 Which I’m now working on The WP Accessibility Day for the second year, which is also a 24 hour live event. So, I’m not as integral to the actual day of. So I actually sleep now, which is a nice.

Dan Maby 00:08:36 Right. It’s partly why. So Page Builder Summit a lot of the sessions are pre-recorded, and it comes sort of back to what we were dealing with with them within WordPress Live in this idea of doing a 24 hour event about making the event accessible to all on a global scale, because we’re dealing with a global community and of course, the The Page Builder Summit has the same challenge. And we need to you need to find a way to make an event from a, from an organizers perspective, sustainable, because of course, a 24 hour event is a huge undertaking, as we know. So all sessions are published and made live at the start of the event and can be consumed at any point throughout the day. So it’s not you’re not fixed to a to a hard schedule.

Michelle Frechette 00:09:15 Right. Although you do have your speakers come in after their time and do Q&A throughout their talk and actually a little bit afterwards or has that changed this year?

Nathan Wrigley 00:09:25 Yeah, we’re going to try that differently this year. So Anchen has become like a summit person in the WordPress space. So she, she whereas most people in the WordPress, they probably build websites Anchen is more focused on building websites for summits. That’s a big part of what she does. And so she follows the trends of what is happening in the sort of summit space, and much of it completely disconnected from WordPress. You know? It’ll be built on a WordPress website, but the subject matter is anything really. There’s a whole range of things. And one of the things that has happened in the industry is that the the chat aspect has sort of gone. And what we’re going to focus on this time is we’re going to we’re going to put all the presentations that are happening in one day live at the exact same moment on that day. So let’s let’s say, let’s say like midday, for want of a better argument on the Monday, all the Monday ones will go live at midday. But there will be a dedicated space in our Facebook group to talk about that thing.

Michelle Frechette 00:10:30 Oh nice.

Nathan Wrigley 00:10:30 Yeah. And the thinking behind that is that the the presenter is not really bound to this one hour, because in the past the presenter would show up, they would do their hour and then we would bid them adieu. And, and so there was a sort of disconnect there because that that chat would sort of collapse and, you know, nobody would kind of return to it. Whereas now, because the Facebook group post is just going to stay open throughout the whole summit. The presenter can drop in, you know, several days later if need be, if somebody made a comment. So hopefully, it will.

Michelle Frechette 00:11:05 And you can tag people so they get a notification.

Dan Maby: Yeah.

Nathan Wrigley 00:11:08 Yeah, you can do all of that kind of stuff. So it’s a bit of an experiment for us.

Michelle Frechette 00:11:11 Yeah, I like it.

Nathan Wrigley 00:11:12 But Anchen has done it many times before. And she said, this is the way that it’s all going.

Michelle Frechette 00:11:16 Oh, I love that.

Nathan Wrigley 00:11:17 So it’s curious change. Yeah.

Michelle Frechette 00:11:18 Yeah, yeah. Fantastic. Well, I’m going to, And I see James Lough has joined us. Hello, James.

Nathan Wrigley 00:11:23 Hi, James. And hi, Mark. And hi, Adam.

Michelle Frechette 00:11:25 Mike and Adam and and Mark Andrews. So we’ve got lots of people watching. I’m going to go ahead and bring your screen up and let you talk us through. I don’t know. Is your is your schedule live yet? Do we know what the topics are? Is that something that’s still under wraps?

Nathan Wrigley 00:11:39 Yeah. So we don’t have the the schedule in terms of the days specifically that people are on, but I can show you, I can show you who is involved and what their presentation.

Michelle Frechette 00:11:48 Why don’t you walk us through that.

Nathan Wrigley 00:11:50 So first thing, though, here’s the date. It’s the 12th to the 16th of May, 2025. If you, if you show up, you’ll be able to access that. But honestly, the best way to participate is if you just give us your name, email address. We’ll then send you a bunch of links at the beginning of each day so that you can click through and you don’t have to, you know, navigate anything. And also, it’ll give you an opportunity. We have an upsell. We have this thing which we call the Power Pack, where you can purchase it so that none of the content goes away. The speakers have chucked in a bunch of bonuses as well, I think. I think if you add them all up, they come to several thousands of dollars and yeah. So if you give us your email address and name into that box, then we’ll be able to communicate with you. And it just makes the whole experience a whole lot more straightforward, basically. Okay, so scrolling down, scrolling down, here we go.

Nathan Wrigley 00:12:39 So here are the, the speakers that are involved. I mean, really I could just list them all off, but that’s probably not the best use of time. But maybe some of these names are familiar to you. We’ve got several of these. Actually, quite a few of these people are coming back for the first, sorry, second, third, and in some cases, fourth time. So Shannon’s a familiar face. So’s Josh, so’s, Chantal, Robert Abela is joining us from Melapress, which is a WordPress security company. There’s a few new faces. I don’t know Rachel particularly well, but we’ve got Jamie Marsland, who’s obviously the.

Michelle Frechette 00:13:13 Who’s that? Just kidding.

Nathan Wrigley 00:13:15 Yeah. The YouTuber, YouTuber extraordinaire. Ben Intal joining us from Stackable, which is a series of, a suite of block plugins that you can have. We’ve got Harry, we’ve got Jessica, Amelia, Tammy Lister, who’s often on the show. No doubt you’ve been on with her, Michelle at many times.

Nathan Wrigley 00:13:31 Yeah, right. Sam. And the list goes on. Look, here we go. And it’s just.

Michelle Frechette 00:13:37 Lindsey Halsey.

Nathan Wrigley 00:13:38 On. There’s Luke, who I sat next to. Or opposite, with Dan. Dan. Dan was there in, in Cloud Fest not that long ago as well.

Michelle Frechette 00:13:47 Oh nice. Maciek is there. Maestro.

Nathan Wrigley 00:13:49 Maciek is there. Picia there. Nicole Osborne on Piccia Neri.

Michelle Frechette 00:13:54 Oh, Alicia, Cami.

Nathan Wrigley 00:13:55 Yeah. Alicia. Cami. David Waumsley who’s my very good friend.

Michelle Frechette 00:14:01 Can we convince him to do a better headshot perhaps?

Nathan Wrigley 00:14:04 No, he’s. That’s the way he, he rolls. So there you go. It’s 35, 35 speakers.

Michelle Frechette 00:14:11 Oh I love it.

Nathan Wrigley 00:14:12 Yeah, a few sprinkled throughout the days. But in order to keep it a little bit more entertaining, we do prizes. We do Bing. We do bingo, which is hysterical. Basically, if you show up and and enter the bingo, you’re pretty much guaranteed to win.

Michelle Frechette 00:14:28 To win something, right?

Nathan Wrigley 00:14:29 Just coming into the bingo, because you’ll get.

Dan Maby 00:14:32 Everyone’s a winner.

Nathan Wrigley 00:14:33 Everyone’s a winner. Yeah. And so we, you know, we just we make ourselves present. We’re going to be there during the week. We’re going to do a few networking sessions where it’ll be like a pile in Zoom call, but there’ll be a subject that we’re going to get into. And we’ll also do live presentations. Some of the sponsored presentations are being done live, and, and Anchen and I will be going live each morning just to sort of orientate people to, to that day. I’ve talked far too much. How’d this happen?

Michelle Frechette: Let me tell you. I did it online. I attended an online summit not too long ago, and it was one of those ones where you spin the wheel for the different sponsors. And I spun the wheel at one sponsor. It was like, oh, sorry, you didn’t win anything. But I still got an email that said, congratulations, you’ve won nothing.

Nathan Wrigley 00:15:24 Oh that’s great.

Michelle Frechette 00:15:27 Which made me laugh. I actually like screenshot it and sent it to somebody because I was like, I wasn’t offended, I didn’t need anything, but it just tickled me that it was like, oh, we didn’t think of that. Perhaps when we built the the whole thing so. That that was funny.

Nathan Wrigley 00:15:41 You’re mentioning sponsors, and I know, Michelle, that you know the value of what I’m about to say, and I am going to plunder this moment, if you don’t mind.

Michelle Frechette 00:15:49 It’s okay. Please do.

Nathan Wrigley 00:15:49 We have a whole bunch of sponsors.

Michelle Frechette 00:15:52 How do I mute him?

Nathan Wrigley 00:15:53 Yes. Shut that man up. But our, Our top tier sponsors, we call them our partner sponsors. And we’ve got four thus far. we’ve got GoDaddy. Adam. I see.

Michelle Frechette: Adam’s in the chat.

Nathan Wrigley 00:16:04 So that’s fabulous. We’ve got Kinsta. We’ve got Melapress. I was just talking about Robert Abela, and we’ve got Blackwall, which you might have known in the past as, Bot Guard, but they’ve rebranded as Blackwall.

Michelle Frechette 00:16:15 Okay.

Nathan Wrigley 00:16:15 Yeah. So there are four sponsors and we’ve got one partner sponsor left for about two hours and 45 minutes. Somebody wants to jump on that. It literally is ending into. Oh!!

Michelle Frechette 00:16:34 I found out how we can not see Nathan. But I still can hear him.

Michelle Frechette 00:16:38 Yeah. Oh. This is exciting.

Nathan Wrigley 00:16:42 So Thank you to them.

Michelle Frechette 00:16:44 Yeah. Now, how do you select speakers? Do you? Do you canvass and ask for speakers? Do you have an open call for speakers? Like how have you curated this amazing group of people?

Nathan Wrigley 00:16:55 Do you want to take that Dan or should I?

Dan Maby 00:16:56 Yeah, I think it’s a bit of a combination of both, to be honest. We we we have speakers that we reach out to specifically, and equally, people reach out to us. And it’s a, it’s a process that, to be fair, Anchen takes a huge amount of that responsibility. and is the individual that really knows how that process is completely run by in terms of the selection. But it’s something that we’re very conscious of and trying to work with, a broad range of speakers. And it can be quite challenging. This idea of a, you know, a page builder. And it’s quite sort of limiting in terms of what we’re talking about there. But of course, there are so many topics adjacent to it that enables us to have this really rich, speaker, list of speakers. And we’ve got we’ve actually got three featured speakers this year. Trying something a little bit different again with the with the event. So really looking forward to hearing what these speakers are going to bring to the, to the event. But we’ve got Shannon Mattern, Josh Hall and Lisa Williams are our three featured speakers this month. This year. all for the 8.0. This is the eighth, eighth time we’ve delivered this event. Although I can’t say we because I’ve only been involved in the last two events.

Nathan Wrigley 00:18:07 It’s okay. I know how it feels on the WPLDN side. It’s fine.You have a pass.

Michelle Frechette 00:18:13 I mean, when we talk about the royal we. You all are in the UK. So I think it’s more applicable to you than me with our. I think we still call him a president, but.

Nathan Wrigley 00:18:23 We have a kind of division of labor. And Anchen and I went, so we ran the first six, just the the two of us, and I don’t it kind of happened by accident more than anything else, but.Anchen it ended up dealing with the speakers, and I ended up dealing with the sponsors and the video editing and those kind of things. And so Anchen has this whole process of getting the speakers. And honestly, I, I think if I was given that job, we wouldn’t have a summit. It just wouldn’t happen. She’s so good. Because you know what it’s like you’ve got 35 individuals. They’ve all got their lives to get on with. They missed the deadline, the email gets misremembered. And so and all of that. And she’s so good at chasing people and getting the content out of them. And there’s there’s way more little tiny moving parts to her side of the equation than there is two ours, to be honest, because each of the speakers has got just lots and lots and lots of little dominoes to fall to get them to the event. Whereas on our side, the video editing and the sponsor outreach and what have you, it’s a little bit. It’s a little bit more straightforward. So, while she’s not here, we’ll praise Anchen a lot. Yes.

Dan Maby 00:19:35 Well deserved.

Michelle Frechette 00:19:37 And then over the next two weeks to talk about how difficult it was.

Nathan Wrigley 00:19:41 Oh, it’s so hard.

Dan Maby 00:19:46 Michelle. We’re going through that process withWordPress Live. We had 65 speakers. Didn’t have that for that event and that management process.

Michelle Frechette 00:19:55 And they were probably, what, 75% or more were live?

Dan Maby 00:19:59 Yes.

Michelle Frechette 00:20:00 Which added a layer of complexity. For sure. And then, of course, there are people in different countries with different Wi-Fi and capabilities and.

Nathan Wrigley 00:20:12 Can I ask, right. Because I normally ask the questions I can’t cope with not asking. Can I ask you to about that? Like how how stressful was that? Because I know this event has an element of stress, but it’s not probably anything like that. Was it really properly stressful? 75 people trying to get the majority of them. Like what was that like?

Dan Maby 00:20:35 Honestly, it it felt for me personally it had it had a real feeling of the same sort of thing that you get as a WordCamp organizer, which was really strange. It was completely unexpected because we used Discord as a bit of our sort of back room for all of the organizers to get together and to have a laugh and have a cry and all the challenges and so on, and talk about the things that were going on and what is working, what isn’t working. And it just had that incredible feel. We had this sort of international team of people delivering this event, but it felt like we were all in the room together. It was there were very strange.

Michelle Frechette 00:21:10 More than three of us doing it, which helped and also added to the complexity, if I’m being honest.

Nathan Wrigley 00:21:19 Yeah. I don’t know how you did the live because, you know, 75 people is not just a case of asking 75 people to show up at the right time. It’s, I imagine it’s more like asking 75 people to show up at the right time, 15 of whom do. And then it’s just a ton of email and stress. But where are they? Where have they gone?

Dan Maby00:21:37 We were running three three tracks concurrently.

Nathan Wrigley 00:21:41 Oh. Dan.

Michelle Frechette 00:21:44 Wait. But not only that, we also were doing live interviews of people in between sessions.

Nathan Wrigley 00:21:52 I’ve worked with Dan for quite a bit now, and I’ve, I’ve, I now know of Dan this much. Dan sort of just says yes to everything. And then you, you have to be. You have to work out the bits and pieces afterwards. But it always it, always comes together.

Michelle Frechette 00:22:09 I’m the female Dan, I always said yes to things also.

Dan Maby 00:22:15 Honestly, it was so, so much joy working with you, Michelle, across that and bringing that to to the community because there was so much work.

Michelle Frechette: We should do again.

Nathan Wrigley 00:22:24 Oh, Dan.

Dan Maby 00:22:28 So we should make it. We need an in-person component as well, a physical component to that concept.

Michelle Frechette 00:22:33 Yeah.

Dan Maby 00:22:33 I’m just not sure how.

Nathan Wrigley 00:22:36 Look Adams said. Well, Michelle, I’m clicking on it, trying to make it come on the screen. Of course I can’t. Adam says.

Michelle Frechette 00:22:43 I have the power this time.

Nathan Wrigley 00:22:44 I know, it’s infuriating.

Michelle Frechette 00:22:48 Wait. I can also do this. Wait. Watch.

Dan Maby 00:22:52 All the control.

Nathan Wrigley 00:22:54 I think that’s great. Oh, lovely. Adams already said. Adams already said yes for you.

Michelle Frechette 00:23:00 That’s the only thing that would have made today funnier is if I had dressed as you. Yet again.

Nathan Wrigley 00:23:07 Oh, I’m actually crying a bit. No, this is great. I’m loving this.

Michelle Frechette 00:23:11 Oh, this is a what a wonderful day. Way to end the day. I’m serious.

Nathan Wrigley 00:23:17 More events says Steve.

Dan Maby 00:23:19 Let’s do it. Let’s do it.

Nathan Wrigley 00:23:20 Keep Nathan away from the public events.

Michelle Frechette 00:23:23 I don’t think that. I don’t think this is going to make you disappear. Nope. Look, you’re still there.

Nathan Wrigley 00:23:28 Oh, yeah, look. There I am.

Michelle Frechette 00:23:30 We haven’t said. We haven’t said PageBuilderSummit.com.

Nathan Wrigley 00:23:33 No.

Michelle Frechette: Even once yet.

Nathan Wrigley 00:23:36 That’s what we’re here for. PageBuilderSummit.com go there and, check out the event. Right back to WordPress Live. Talk more about that.

Michelle Frechette 00:23:47 Oh my goodness. But yes, there is definitely a challenge. No matter how you put on an event, whether it’s in person, whether it’s recorded, whether it’s live. Although I will say live is a little, a little more, strenuous perhaps, but.

Nathan Wrigley 00:24:01 I suppose the one thing about the, the live bit is that at least it’s all leading up to that moment, whereas I think we kind of, I don’t know what the right word is, but we kind of frontload the stress. So we spread it out. But it’s all before the event, like, oh, that hasn’t been submitted. That hasn’t been submitted. You know, making sure the jigsaw is complete before the event has its own different stresses. You just piled all the stress in like 24 hours. Which is kind of different.

Michelle Frechette 00:24:27 Trust me, there was a lot of stress in advance of it as well, but I don’t not not to walk down to memory lane too much, but I think one of my favorite of the three that we did was when we interviewed Mike Little Live, and then a few hours later, we interviewed Matt Mullen live as well. And I felt like that was the feather. I mean, I could have I should have just retired after that night. It was pretty awesome.

Dan Maby 00:24:52 Yeah. I think that’s such an interesting that that challenge of live and recorded for the speaker, though, it’s such a challenge if we’re the going recorded, it’s this idea of perfection and oh, I made that mistake. I need to adjust it. I need to redo it. Yeah. And that’s so hard. You know, how do we how do we get over that and, and not go down that sort of perfectionist route as a speaker?

Michelle Frechette 00:25:13 Yeah. Well, if you know me, you know that I don’t like to edit. So, like, if you’re on my podcast, I don’t edit anything. Right? I mean, I just don’t, I don’t I don’t like doing that. It’s a lot more work that I want to do. And I’m not lazy by any stretch of the imagination, but that is just not my bailiwick. And so, when I once recorded a talk for a nonprofit summit. I wanted to do it in one take. I was successful, but about three quarters of the way through. I had a huge sneeze. Like, I was talking all of a sudden, ahchoo. And I kept going because I thought if I was on stage, I wouldn’t go. Sorry, I sneezed. We have to start again. Right. So I just left it in there, like, you know, feet of clay, warts and all, whatever euphemism you want to use for that.

Nathan Wrigley 00:25:59 But have you have you never Michelle had a, like a total disaster with like a complete fail on the tech with a podcast guest or something like that, where you’ve been forced to edit because, I don’t know, they just dropped out for ten minutes or something like that.

Michelle Frechette 00:26:12 So I was forced to edit once when I had somebody on the podcast. And in the middle of it, this is an adult person. But her mother lived next door and was watching her kids and couldn’t find her keys. So literally in the middle of it, the door opens. She walks in and says, I can’t find my keys.

Nathan Wrigley 00:26:30 And yeah, that’s got to go.

Michelle Frechette 00:26:31 And I had to edit that out. And then there was another. There was another one that was recorded where somebody said something inappropriate. I don’t ,I don’t care if somebody lets a swear word fly or something, but somebody said something in inappropriate that could be incredibly misinterpreted. And I chose to edit that out as well.

Nathan Wrigley 00:26:48 Yeah. Yeah. I’m kind of the opposite for some. For some parts I edit far too much. Just go. Go. I love it. I absolutely love it. I use. I use the script and it’s just a joy.

Michelle Frechette 00:27:02 That is also why one of my friends refers to your voice as audio Valium. Because you edit it to the point where you’re just so mellifluous and your voice just flows and you just go oh.

Nathan Wrigley 00:27:14 Yeah, I put people to sleep. Isn’t it? Basically it.

Michelle Frechette 00:27:19 It didn’t say that.

Nathan Wrigley 00:27:21 Barbiturate man. Yeah.

Michelle Frechette 00:27:23 Yeah, but it was specifically when you were doing the Press Forward podcast for Big Orange Heart that it was. So you were such a calming voice and one of my one of my office mates at the time said, oh my gosh, I could listen to him and fall asleep, but then I wouldn’t need the melatonin.

Nathan Wrigley 00:27:39 Yeah. You see, this is this is. That’s what I’m going to have that on my gravestone. I could listen to him whilst falling to sleep.

Michelle Frechette 00:27:48 I’m going to take that off so that I can put some more things up. That won’t just cover your face, Nathan. So I you all know Mark Westcott is one of my best friends. We had.

Nathan Wrigley 00:27:58 A cracking picture of you, by the way Mark.

Speaker 5 00:27:59 Quite a quite a few years. I had him on the WP Coffee Talk podcast and he forgot my name, but he went to say hello.

Nathan Wrigley 00:28:11 Oh yeah, that’s good. We did.

Michelle Frechette 00:28:15 We did stop that and start over. But that was much easier than the time that we finished recording with him the first time, and I accidentally deleted it. Beyond beyond like being able to get it back and we had to do it twice. So there you go. We all make mistakes, but, so Steve Mosby. Hi, Steve. Says it makes it more human if it has something like a sneeze, life shouldn’t be edited. I agree. Let’s see. James Lau says he wants a David Attenborough reading from you. And Adam says I once got emotional during a speaking session in person and had that. OMG, I just blew mucus bubbles.

Nathan Wrigley 00:28:51 Oh, oh, oh!

Michelle Frechette Adam, I love you. Not my greatest moment, but the audience was supportive. Absolutely. Oh, boy. What does it say?

Nathan Wrigley 00:29:00 Can I just get you to share my screen again very quickly? Because I’ve got a lovely Mark Westguard.

Michelle Frechette 00:29:07 I do like that one.

Nathan Wrigley00:29:08 There he is.

Michelle Frechette 00:29:11 I’m forbidden for sharing the pictures of Mark that he sometimes sends to me. Of him looking absolutely silly.

Nathan Wrigley 00:29:20 Yep, yep. I got several of him.

Michelle Frechette 00:29:21 But I’ll. I’ll text them to you later.

Nathan Wrigley 00:29:25 Yeah. He’s having a giggle there. Yeah.

Michelle Frechette 00:29:28 Says we have some questions from Mark Andrew. He says, was the nonprofit talk when you were doing Give WP? Yes it was I was there representing GiveWP for that. And are there any updates on Big Orange Heart? Appreciates us both. We are the best people, he says. I don’t have any updates on it at this point in time.

Dan Maby 00:29:46 No, I’ve I’ve had to, for my own mental health. Let’s take a bit of a step back at the moment. so. Yes, unfortunately not, not at the moment.

Michelle Frechette 00:29:55 Yeah. We’re never saying never again. We’re just saying not right now.

Dan Maby 00:29:59 That’s right.

Michelle Frechette 00:30:00 And and, Mark, when you showed his picture, had a nice little laugh at that as well. So. Oh, I think we’re here to talk about the Page Builder Summit though.

Dan Maby 00:30:09 We need to mention Page Builder summit.com don’t we?

Michelle Frechette: Yes I left off the dot com. Yes. Sorry.

Nathan Wrigley 00:30:14 If you go to that URL you find that there’s an online summit called the Page Builder Summit. And it’s running between the dates of the 12th of May to the 16th of May. 35 speakers. It’s completely free. Join us.

Michelle Frechette 00:30:27 I can’t bring it back up on the screen because your screen right now is showing WP Builds.

Nathan Wrigley 00:30:30 Oh, yeah. There you go. There it is.

Michelle Frechette 00:30:32 Which is fine.

Nathan Wrigley 00:30:33 No, no. It’s there. You can bring it back up.

Michelle Frechette 00:30:35 A nice a nice comment from Mark again saying it makes sense. Glad to hear you’re taking care of you, Dan. Yes, absolutely.

Dan Maby: Appreciate it.

Michelle Frechette: Okay. Oh, there it is. Page builder summit.com.

Nathan Wrigley 00:30:44 Yeah. If you’ve got. Any questions about it. Honestly, it’s the most straightforward enterprise from the. If you’re thinking of attending, it really, genuinely is really straightforward. You’ll, you sign up, and you just go and watch what you like when you like. So as we’re pre-recording everything, there is not this pressure to watch it. There’s 48 hours, basically. That’s the limit we’ve set on it. So things that come out, come out on the Monday will be available Monday, Tuesday. And then we’ll put them behind our Power Pack. We call it this upsell that will begin for them on Wednesday.

Michelle Frechette 00:31:20 The world calls it a paywall.

Nathan Wrigley 00:31:22 But yeah, we’ll. Call it a power pack because it sounds it’s all you know.

Michelle Frechette 00:31:26 Well, there’s more to it.

Nathan Wrigley 00:31:27 Well, there really is. There’s a whole boatload of features and bits and pieces that the speakers and some of the sponsors have thrown in as well.

Michelle Frechette 00:31:33 And so it is free access for those 48 hours. What does the Power Pack cost? What do we do? How do we get that and what does that cost?

Nathan Wrigley 00:31:40 So the Power Pack depending on when you buy it we have a different pricing. So the later you leave it the more expensive it becomes. But basically $97 is the, is the sort of like the ticket price. But there is an option if you sign into that form and you keep an eye on your email, and you click on the email, you do have a small window to grab it for basically half that price. And, and I think people kind of know that now about it because that is, that is that tends to be where it’s at. People grab it during that 20 minute, 30 minute period. I don’t exactly know what.

Michelle Frechette 00:32:17 And does the bingo cards are those sent out via email as well? How does somebody figure out how to play bingo?

Nathan Wrigley 00:32:23 Yes. So if you go to Page Builder, I’m not going to do it because I don’t know that the page has been configured. But if when the summit begins, you just go to Page Builder summit.com/bingo. And it literally I mean it’s so like cottage industry I love it. You download a you, download it and basically print it off or something like that, and then you just scribble on it. So there’s a whole bunch, you know how bingo works. You got to fill up lines or get a full house, get a diagonal or what have you. And we each of the little squares is something that you could achieve during the summit. Like, I don’t know, I went to a live session, I asked a question, I did this particular thing, whatever.

Michelle Frechette 00:33:00 So your honor bound.

Nathan Wrigley 00:33:02 Well, that’s right, I mean, honestly.

Michelle Frechette 00:33:05 Look it’s for when I was in and I filled the entire card.

Nathan Wrigley 00:33:09 Yeah. You know, who would know? But and then you basically take a photo of it and present it into the Facebook group, and it’s absolutely lovely because you do get people doing all sorts of different ways, you know, some very professionally of, of some somehow downloaded some sort of, I don’t know, some sort of perfect X, and they’ve aligned them all perfectly, and other people have just scribbled on it with their with their crayon over it.

Michelle Frechette00:33:32 Got it. Yeah.

Nathan Wrigley 00:33:33 It’s lovely. Yeah.

Michelle Frecehtte 00:33:34 Yeah. That’s fun. That does make it fun.

Nathan Wrigley 00:33:35 And, And so those prizes will come out each day. I can’t remember what the prizes are, but typically we do things like Amazon vouchers and books and things that the speakers have given to us. It all gets bundled up, and usually there’s two prizes given away each day. And it’s a nice, nice moment. We announce them in our live call. Yeah. Oh, Yeah. Join us.

Michelle Frechette 00:34:02 And I heard bingo.

Nathan Wrigley 00:34:03 Oh, it’s Bingo’s live. Look, look. They know more than. I know more than I do.

Michelle Frechette 00:34:08 They’re in the background, checking it out for you, making sure that you’re not going to look silly if you don’t bring it up.

Nathan Wrigley 00:34:13 Let’s have a look. I’m going to check it out myself. This is one of those jobs that Anchen. It is. How it works. Yeah. Download your bingo card. I’m not sure if you download this one whether it’s the. Oh, no, no, there it is. Okay. Do it. Yeah. Go to PageBuildersummit.com/Bingo. It’s there for you. So here’s the things you’ve got to do I’ll read them out. Share the biggest takeaway from a presentation, ask a question on a speakers thread, grab your free ticket to the Page Builder Summit by registering, join the Facebook group, complete your work sheet for presentations, attend the kickoff call live, and so it goes. Those kind of things.

Michelle Frechette 00:34:46 Yeah, I love it. And it’s going to cover your face again. But I love Adam says Join us. One of us, one of us, one of us!

Michelle Frechette00:34:54 Yeah.Brilliant.

Nathan Wrigley 00:34:55 Oh, I was hoping to give him ears, though.

Michelle Frechette 00:34:57 Okay. There you go.

Nathan Wrigley 00:35:00 It’s so difficult to do it

Michelle Frechette 00:35:02 It’s close.It’s close. I love it. I should have sent you some hands. Like.

Nathan Wrigley 00:35:08 Oh, yeah.

Michelle Frechette 00:35:09 I have for your show.

Nathan Wrigley 00:35:10 I could. Have brought some oven gloves or something like that, but I didn’t know that I was going to be hidden behind.

Michelle Frechette 00:35:14 Mickey Mouse ears or something.

Nathan Wrigley 00:35:17 Adam Warner’s face. Yeah. So there you go. I think I think you probably know all that there is to know apart from the URLl. I don’t think we’ve mentioned that yet. PageBuilderSummit.com. Go there.

Michelle Frechette 00:35:28 Is it that one?

Nathan Wrigley 00:35:30 Yep yep yep.

Dan Maby 00:35:31 We should mention PageBuilderSummit.com/sponsors as well.

Nathan Wrigley 00:35:35 Oh yes.

Michelle Frechette 00:35:36 I don’t have a I don’t have a bar for that. Sorry.

Nathan Wrigley 00:35:40 Yeah. We have three sponsor tiers. We’ve got a partner sponsor, which is.

Michelle Frechette: Go ahead and pull it up.

Nathan Wrigley: Yeah. You can, I can hold on. I can do it if you want.

Michelle Frechette 00:35:49 He’s so not used to being a guest.

Dan Maby 00:35:51 We’ve got our micro sponsorship from just $300. Yeah, we did that right up until the event.

Nathan Wrigley 00:35:56 Yeah. So this is our sponsors page, and we have a partner sponsor. So the ones that I showed you earlier, the Kinster, the Melapress, the GoDaddy and the….

Dan Maby 00:36:08 Blackwall.

Nathan Wrigley 00:36:09 Blackwall. I keep wanting.

Michelle Frechette 00:36:10 What is the new name of it.

Nathan Wrigley 00:36:11 I want to say Bot Guard. All the time. Yeah, yeah. there are current, partner sponsors, but there is one remaining. But I’m not kidding you. It is going away. And what is that? Two hours and 25 minutes. So you know. But we’ve got patron sponsors and we’ve got micro sponsors. The micro sponsors is always really popular because it’s, you know, $300 and you get associated with, a with an event at the likes of which we’ve got it’s great.

Michelle Frechette 00:36:37 This is the best comment. You’re always the host even when you’re a guest.

Nathan Wrigley 00:36:40 I can’t help. It. That’s true. I can’t. Shall I just go now? I’ll just go and stand behind the signs.

Michelle Frechette 00:36:46 To be fair, I do that to you all the time, so.

Nathan Wrigley 00:36:49 It’s good. I mean, it’s nice, isn’t it, when people talk on your show? Yeah. The and the patron one is, as you can see, thousand dollars. And, you can see what’s available with the little pricing table.

Michelle Frechette 00:37:00 Yeah, I love that. Do you have a list of all the sponsors? Not just the top four. Oh, we can thank them all.

Nathan Wrigley 00:37:07 Yeah. So here we go. Okay. So there there’s our partner sponsors. You can see them GoDaddy, Kinsta, Melapress, Blackwall. The patron is Big Scoots. We’ve got some featured speakers as well who kind of slot into the sponsor thing. We’ve got Web Designer Pro, Your Moxie Maven, and Web Designer Academy. And then our micro sponsors is Zainatain, Dynamic.ooo, AB Split Test, BS-Free Business, WP Mavens. It’s kind of hard to see from that logo, but that one’s WP Mavens, Croco Block. There’s this I don’t know who’s responsible for this one. Some form solution or other, WS Form. Let’s be fair and, CheckView. And then we had one land about two minutes before we joined the call. So I haven’t had to haven’t had a chance to check that one out. So there’ll be another one joining that in the, in the next moment or two.

Michelle Frechette 00:37:55 Very nice. Well, I hate to keep having your face, but I love this. Nathan is going to ask everyone to wave at the end.

Nathan Wrigley 00:38:03 Yeah, I am.

Michelle Frechette 00:38:05 To be fair. We don’t even have to wave. You just have to put your hands up. on me. Yeah, I’m doing it. So, you know.

Nathan Wrigley 00:38:12 Yeah, I’m doing it. Yeah. I’m going to shush now.

Michelle Frechette 00:38:15 But if I did that on your show.

Nathan Wrigley 00:38:16 I can’t do it.

Michelle Frechette 00:38:18 To be fair, I have to talk over you on your own show too, so it’s all good. Oh, I love it. I love it all. Let’s see, we’ve got some more comments. Some new names to explore there. Make sure to hit the sponsor links folks. They’re putting their resources and dollars towards a great event. Absolutely. Couldn’t have said that nicer myself, Adam. So thank you for saying it.

Nathan Wrigley 00:38:40 I’m again sorry at the risk of talking too much, but I.

Michelle Frechette 00:38:43 There’s no such thing when you’re a guest on a podcast.

Nathan Wrigley 00:38:45 Thank you. Okay, great. The I kind of didn’t really understand that until I got into doing events and making a podcast and things. I kind of had this, you know, when the television commercials come on on the telly and you kind of turn the volume down or you walk away or something, and then you know, those kind of things, and then you do an event and you fully realize, wait, this is the actual glue that binds it together. This is actually the bit that makes it possible. We could not do that event without the sponsors. Basically, they pay for the whole thing to happen. And, and so Adams raised it, and I appreciate that. But Adam and Mark, who were in the call who have both sponsored Adam, GoDaddy, Mark WS Form is I’m genuinely serious. I’m not saying this in a glib way. I am really thankful to these people for putting it on because it could not happen, without them. So thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Michelle Frechette 00:39:46 Yeah, absolutely. I don’t know if there’s any other questions to ask you about it. I think we’ve kind of covered everything, but is there anything else you’d like to say about it? And hearing nothing.

Nathan Wrigley00:40:00 No, I was just thinking I’ve said enough.

Michelle Frechette 00:40:03 We’re still here.

Michelle Frechette 00:40:07 Well, I am so. Oh, I love this. We’re better together, which is always true. I love that so much. Well, I want to thank you both for being here. I know it is quite late. It’s after 9:00, I think. There where you are, so you’re probably both ready to nod off. I know, like, you don’t want to drink caffeine this late at night because you will be up all night. But yeah, that’s hard. So I will say thank you very much for being here. And also I always have to plug next week. So next week I will be speaking with Brad Williams from Web Dev Studios for a conversation about his theme Switcher Pro, which I just learned about at at PressConf last week. You can have more than one theme on your site at the same time, so you could have theme. You can theme pages and post individually with this plugin that they’ve created. So we’re going to see a demo of that next week. Looks pretty awesome. You’ll never see it in the repo, because it has so much behind it that it is a premium plugin and well worth it. I would say very, very cool. So we’re make sure you come back next week and take a look at that while I talk to Brad.

Michelle Frechette 00:41:07 And again, in case you missed it, today’s everything was about PageBuilderSummit.com well, we talked about a lot of things, but specifically we’re here for PageBuilderSummit.com . Which starts a week from Monday on May 12th and runs that week. So thank you so much for taking some time out and spending some time with me today. Let’s see. We have a this was great. Thank you. Dan and, Michelle, Dan and Nathan be. Well, I can’t even read. and then we have. Thanks to you all for organizing speakers and sponsors, volunteers pulling our community together. And, thank you. Looking forward to the Page Builder Summit. See, PBS here in the United States means something else. It’s the Public Broadcasting System. So it took me a second to figure out what Mark was talking about.

Nathan Wrigley 00:41:50 Oh I see.

Michelle Frechette 00:41:53 And James says, thank you. So thank you very much for being my guest today and talking about Page Builder Summit. I have already got my ticket. I will be there and I’m very much looking forward to it.

Nathan Wrigley 00:42:02 Me too. Yeah. Thank you. That was seriously. Thank you, Michelle, for giving us.

Michelle Frechette 00:42:06 My pleasure.

Michelle Frechette 00:42:07 All right, you guys, hang on for just a second. Everybody else. We’ll see you next week. Thanks for being here.

Dan Maby 00:42:11 Thank you take care.

Nathan Wrigley00:42:12 Thank you. Bye bye.